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IMO loose the ROT13. This isn't Usenet. -- Infrogmation 02:25, 26 Oct 2003 (UTC)
pasted from village pump:
I have included a Warning, Wikipedia contains spoilers in Scissors (game) and have included the spoiler itself in Rot13 since it really doesn't want to be read inadvertantly. Any objections? -- 220.127.116.11 23:10, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- the spoiler warning is fine, but the ROT-13 isn't. Lots of wikipedia visitors aren't technical enough to do that, and anyway - at some point there may be a paper version of wikipedia - try doing rot13 on paper. -- Finlay McWalter 23:18, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- moreover, bx, V pna'g sbe gur yvsr bs zr svther bhg ubj gb trg zbmvyyn gb qb n ebg13 va n oebjfre jvaqbj. lbh znqr zr jevgr n ge fpevcg, juvpu V _qrfcvfr_ qbvat. Teee. -- Finlay McWalter 00:00, 26 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Nu, lbh fubhyq gel vafgrnq frnepuvat sbe "wninfpevcg ebg13 pbairegre" --Nohat 01:59, 2003 Oct 26 (UTC)
- Nohat, I know you're just saying that to be nice, but God bless you anyway. Paul Klenk 02:02, 26 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Tee, lbh whfg znqr zr jevgr n p cebtenz sbe ebg-guvegrra pbairefvba... Plc 09:11, 26 Bpg 2003 (HGP)
I'm too lazy to read the ROT-13 above so this suggestion may have been made already... Why don't you just move the spoilers to another page like Scissors (game spoiler)? Jimbreed 14:56, Oct 27, 2003 (UTC)
- The suggestion hasn't been made, have a look at this translator page if you want to see what they've said but it's just chatter about their programming prowess. Personally, I think it's a bit rude to put this stuff onto the pump without a translation, I was tempted to put the translation in for them but maybe that's rude too. Available on request.
- It occurs to me that ROT13 for spoilers or something similar might be a good feature to request for a future version of Wikipedia, although I can't see it getting a lot of priority. Andrewa 18:49, 27 Oct 2003 (UTC)
The page has now been editted (not by me) like this:
" The key to this game is here on a black background, to prevent accidental reading. In most browsers, you can read it by selecting it.
Spoiler text here
which I think is a very neat solution for short spoilers like this, interested in other comments.
This won't work on text-based browsers such as Lynx, which will not be able to render the text as unreadable. I'm not sure about accessibility, but some people may read with text in more higher contrast colors, which would show up immediately.
What is the lowest common denominator of browser the Wikipedia aims to support? Dysprosia 04:36, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Good point, very good point. I can't think of a good way around this for text based browsers, can anyone? And, I think we certainly want to support them.
- But, this particular spoiler is IMO too short for an article all of its own. The ROT13 idea is looking better by the minute, if only it can be made more convenient. One way would be to implement <spoiler> and </spoiler> tags (probably not that format exactly, this is just conceptual) and to either ROT13 or (perhaps better) hide completely the text in between, and provide some way of toggling the display (or unscrambling) of the spoiler text on and off, with the default being hidden or scrambled. Hmmmm. I wonder how many entries (i) now and (ii) potentially are affected? Meantime maybe a scissors (game spoiler) article might be a good interim solution, as suggested above. Andrewa 06:14, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- What about a simple hr break with a notice going something like "If you do not wish to know of the solution, please do not read below this line", leave about two blank lines, then have it plain there? It's a bit...cheap... but I don't know, theres 2c for you :) Dysprosia 06:37, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I think the black background table is quite sufficient. It's not the end of the world if a lynx user reads it accidentally. After all, there is a spoiler warning at the top of the article. Actually I think the writer of this article is going a bit overboard -- after all, reading the spoiler accidentally only adversely affects those people who will play it in the future with other people who are "in the know", which is probably a very small proportion of readers of the article. My main worry with the table is the possibility of a print version. But hopefully QC would pick up the problem. -- Tim Starling 06:45, Oct 29, 2003 (UTC)
- Ok, I didn't really see the spoiler-warning on the page (may have been added recently), so that covers both cases neatly now :) Dysprosia 22:30, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- PLease could we all get a sense of perspective. There is a spoiler warning at the top of the article. We don't need silly tricks like ROT13 or black bits. Both have accessibility problems anyway -- Tarquin 13:26, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)